Comments for Musings http://www.chrisfrymann.com Thoughts and resources worth sharing or remembering Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:03:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 Comment on Another Step Toward Lifting Library Metadata into the Cloud by Cyril http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/07/22/mods-ontology-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2384 Cyril Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:03:51 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=375#comment-2384 Hello! This is my first comment in this article thus i i would like to provide a simple shout out and show you I absolutely love looking through your blog articles. Could you recommend any blogs Hello! This is my first comment in this article thus i i would like to provide a simple shout out and show you I absolutely love looking through your blog articles. Could you recommend any blogs

]]> Comment on More on Motivation for Investment in Implementation of a MODS Ontology by Intelligent Information : Konvertierung bibliographischer Daten in RDF-Tripel http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/07/31/more-on-motivation-for-investment-in-implementation-of-a-mods-ontology/comment-page-1/#comment-251 Intelligent Information : Konvertierung bibliographischer Daten in RDF-Tripel Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:23:18 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=466#comment-251 [...] Qualified Dublin Core -    Bibliographic Ontology (BiBO) -    MARC Ontology (MarcOnt) -    MODS Ontology -    RDA Vocabulary -    FRBR -   [...] [...] Qualified Dublin Core -    Bibliographic Ontology (BiBO) -    MARC Ontology (MarcOnt) -    MODS Ontology -    RDA Vocabulary -    FRBR -   [...]

]]> Comment on More on Motivation for Investment in Implementation of a MODS Ontology by Clay Redding http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/07/31/more-on-motivation-for-investment-in-implementation-of-a-mods-ontology/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Clay Redding Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:16:47 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=466#comment-30 Hi Chris, I've enjoyed what you've posted here on starting work on a MODS ontology. I work at LC in the Network Development and MARC Standards Office, although standards work is not my primary duty. Nothing is set in stone, but I can tell you with certainty my co-workers and (to a lesser extent) I have started some effort toward a MODS ontology. We've been asked by several organizations to provide this, and we're working on it. However, at present more effort has gone into first completely re-doing the MADS model and expressing it in OWL. The MADS work has largely grown out of requests we've heard from users who want augment the subject headings descriptions in id.loc.gov to see the subdivisions identified, and we've had trouble doing that with SKOS alone. Also influencing this path that in terms of the progression of XML metadata standards (MODS/MADS, EAD/EAC), it seems the emphasis has always favored bibliographic standards preceding their authority counterparts, making it hard to truly incorporate authority retrospectively. We want to reverse that trend here. From that work, we hope to then have MODS rely heavily on MADS, such that parts of a bibliographic record that normally make use of authority are described using instances of MADS classes. Regarding what Bruce points out, for both MODS and MADS, we've thought a lot more about the semantics, to the point of e.g. incorporating MARC relators as properties that could help bypass the mods:name/mods:role issue. I'd welcome a chat sometime to discuss ideas further, and I plan to plug in your ontology into my TopBraid Composer tomorrow to take a spin. Clay Hi Chris,

I’ve enjoyed what you’ve posted here on starting work on a MODS ontology. I work at LC in the Network Development and MARC Standards Office, although standards work is not my primary duty.

Nothing is set in stone, but I can tell you with certainty my co-workers and (to a lesser extent) I have started some effort toward a MODS ontology. We’ve been asked by several organizations to provide this, and we’re working on it. However, at present more effort has gone into first completely re-doing the MADS model and expressing it in OWL.

The MADS work has largely grown out of requests we’ve heard from users who want augment the subject headings descriptions in id.loc.gov to see the subdivisions identified, and we’ve had trouble doing that with SKOS alone. Also influencing this path that in terms of the progression of XML metadata standards (MODS/MADS, EAD/EAC), it seems the emphasis has always favored bibliographic standards preceding their authority counterparts, making it hard to truly incorporate authority retrospectively. We want to reverse that trend here.

From that work, we hope to then have MODS rely heavily on MADS, such that parts of a bibliographic record that normally make use of authority are described using instances of MADS classes.

Regarding what Bruce points out, for both MODS and MADS, we’ve thought a lot more about the semantics, to the point of e.g. incorporating MARC relators as properties that could help bypass the mods:name/mods:role issue.

I’d welcome a chat sometime to discuss ideas further, and I plan to plug in your ontology into my TopBraid Composer tomorrow to take a spin.

Clay

]]> Comment on Conversation with Bruce D’Arcus on Motivation for MODS Ontology by Conversation with Bruce D’Arcus on Motivation for MODS Ontology « Musings | I Really Don’t Know http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/08/05/conversation-with-bruce-darcus-on-motivation-for-mods-ontology/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Conversation with Bruce D’Arcus on Motivation for MODS Ontology « Musings | I Really Don’t Know Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:53:49 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=500#comment-27 [...] from Conversation with Bruce D’Arcus on Motivation for MODS Ontology. [...] [...] from Conversation with Bruce D’Arcus on Motivation for MODS Ontology. [...]

]]> Comment on More on Motivation for Investment in Implementation of a MODS Ontology by Bruce D'Arcus http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/07/31/more-on-motivation-for-investment-in-implementation-of-a-mods-ontology/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Bruce D'Arcus Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=466#comment-9 The problem from my standpoint is that MODS has some really odd, library-specific, design choices that I don't think map very well to the wider world. A central concept like mods:name, with mods:role as a child of that, really makes no sense, and conflicts with more common modeling you see in DC, FRBR ,etc. It's semantics are also really loose. So you have to ask yourself, just how linked could a MODS view in RDF really be? The problem from my standpoint is that MODS has some really odd, library-specific, design choices that I don’t think map very well to the wider world. A central concept like mods:name, with mods:role as a child of that, really makes no sense, and conflicts with more common modeling you see in DC, FRBR ,etc.

It’s semantics are also really loose.

So you have to ask yourself, just how linked could a MODS view in RDF really be?

]]> Comment on Another Step Toward Lifting Library Metadata into the Cloud by admin http://www.chrisfrymann.com/2009/07/22/mods-ontology-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8 admin Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:53:27 +0000 http://www.chrisfrymann.com/?p=375#comment-8 <b>2009.07.28</b> From: twitter.com/declan @edsu @anarchivist @mjgiarlo Looking for feedback: Another Step Toward Lifting Library Metadata into the Cloud http://tinyurl.com/nfhhpk From: twitter.com/epoz "But why stick with MODS? Have you perused: http://bibliontology.com/ ? <b>2009.07.29</b> From: twitter.com/cfrymann "Starting to share work on MODS ontology development" (http://tinyurl.com/nfhhpk) "@epoz Thanks for the reference to http://bibliontology.com" From: twitter.com/epoz "@cfrymann You're welcome. Great work there." "It is very modish to make everything MODS, but it feels like a square/round/peg/hole thing to me often." 2009.07.28

From: twitter.com/declan

@edsu @anarchivist @mjgiarlo Looking for feedback: Another Step Toward Lifting Library Metadata into the Cloud http://tinyurl.com/nfhhpk

From: twitter.com/epoz

“But why stick with MODS? Have you perused: http://bibliontology.com/ ?

2009.07.29

From: twitter.com/cfrymann

“Starting to share work on MODS ontology development” (http://tinyurl.com/nfhhpk)

“@epoz Thanks for the reference to http://bibliontology.com”

From: twitter.com/epoz

“@cfrymann You’re welcome. Great work there.”

“It is very modish to make everything MODS, but it feels like a square/round/peg/hole thing to me often.”

]]>